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Monday, March 19, 2007
My Experiences at RCC Institute of Technology (Private vs. Public Education)

I started my post secondary studies at a small relatively unknown private college called RCC Institute of Technology (formerly known as Radio College of Canada or RCC) in Concord, Ontario. RCC's heavy recruitment campaigns and constant presence at my high school gave them a high profile with most of the high school students, which in turn gave me an inaccurate perception as to where their institute sat in the industry - RCC came to our remote high schools, as students we thought they were a major educational powerhouse in the technology world. In addition to this, their enticing selling point was the ability to finish the equivalent of 3 year College Diploma in a single year - as high school students, we all saw this as a great opportunity as none of us really liked school at the time.
"You mean I can go to school for a single year, save time and money by skipping the extra 2 years, pop out as a professional, start my career, and start making money?"
Needless to say it was a hard lesson of "if it's too good to be true, it probably is".  In my last year of high school I inquired about RCC, a recruiter promptly replied, and even came to my house where he discussed all the positive benefits RCC had to offer. My parents were sold, I was sold, I wanted to go - I was 18 years old, I was naive, like taking candy from a child, I was easily sold. I didn't tour the facilities; I didn't question the financial implications. Instead I signed on the dotted lines (signed a contract), filled out an application for a government loan, and eagerly anticipated disembarking into post secondary studies.

Image taken from Canada.com

My first week at RCC was a rude awakening. When I attended, the facilities were substandard, the equipment outdated, the computers were yellowed with age, the keyboards missing keys, the CRTs monitors flickering with monochromatic colors, and the carpet peeling away from the walls. The cafeteria was a retrofitted truck garage complete with an overhead crane for removing truck engines or something. I distinctly remember their lobby near the entrance adorned with leather sofas and leather chairs, but all the new students quickly learned that these props were strictly for visiting guests - no students allowed.  This wasn't what I expected; this wasn't what I signed up for.

Every day on my way to RCC I would ride past the local Community College (Seneca College of Applied Arts & Technology) - my bicycle was my main form of transportation. I would stare through the windows of Seneca. I remember being impressed by the sheer size of the school, the architecture, the cutting edge equipment, state of the art computers, a library, a fitness facility, a large cafeteria with a diverse selection of food, a couple thousand students - all of which RCC lacked. I assumed the cost for attending this school would be astronomical, but decided to ask anyway.
My conversation with the registration clerk went something like this:
    "I'm interested in attending Seneca College, how much does it cost?"

The clerk replied:
    "$1200 per semester"
I nearly choked, I was paying nearly $4000 per semester - a semester at RCC was about 3 months.
I asked:
    "I'm attending RCC will I be able to transfer any of my credits?"

The clerk replied:
    "Where is RCC?"

I scratched my head thinking:
    "How could anyone not know about RCC? It's the pinnacle of technological education, right? "

I replied:
    "It's a block North and a block East from here."
The clerk said:
    "Sorry I've never heard of RCC, but here's some information on Seneca's transfer policies, and a course catalog."
I replied:
    "Thanks"
I then climbed back on my bike and continued to RCC.
Later that week I began doing some calculations where I realized the following:

A year at RCC would cost me about $16,000 dollars, this didn't include cost of living, or housing expenses, and certainly did not include any part-time jobs since RCC's rigorous schedule required that you catch up on your studies over the weekend. In total, a year at RCC would cost me about $23,000 dollars. Conversely a year at Seneca would cost me about $9,000 dollars (including living expenses), I figured that 3 years at Seneca would cost me somewhere around $27,000, but I'd have the ability to work part-time throughout each of those years, which would bring the overall total well below RCC's single year program. So a single year at RCC (a private College) was roughly equivalent to 3 years at Seneca College (or any publicly funded Community College for that mater). This really got me thinking, and made me wish I had done more research before signing up for RCC - financially Community College was a much better deal.

Image taken from Seneca

I continued to compare RCC and Seneca, and to my horror I discovered that the RCC program only awarded a Certificate whereas Seneca awarded an Ontario College Diploma - now professionally and financially Community College was a far better deal. At this point I was convinced that RCC was probably not in my best interest, and decided to make the switch.

Back at RCC I notified the Registrar of my intentions to quit, attended a counseling session (where I was strongly advised not to quit and given the opportunity to switch programs), and was then informed that I would be have to pay 10% ($1,600) of the full years tuition ($16,000) for quitting. My jaw dropped, I was furious (and still evidently am, since I'm spending the time to write this entry), for a brief moment I considered staying with RCC to avoid paying this fee - I was only 18, money was tight, I was a poor student. I then asked for some confirmation for this fee. The Clerk then produced the document I had signed upon enrolling, and there it was under the dotted lines - the contract I had signed when the recruiter came to my house. I paid the fee and left.

Words of advice: "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" Publicly funded post secondary studies are the way to go whether it be College or University. Private education is almost always more expensive, and probably not as valuable for a professional career (although some private polytechnic schools are pretty good too). In my opinion, fast track programs should be avoided, because you can't really compress education. Most of the learning experience is developing your own ideas, opinions, honing your learning skills, maturing, and gaining life experiences. In addition compressed Diplomas or Certificates are not received as well in the real world some employers will interpret it as a sign that you aren't really dedicated to your profession - they may conclude that you like taking the easy route.

Many of my RCC friends that completed the single year certificate at RCC have fought for jobs related to their education since graduation. A couple friends have pursued additional certification, many have settled for jobs completely out of their field of study, and almost all are still paying their RCC student loans.

Before you sign on the dotted line, know what you're signing for - a lesson learned the hard way.
Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:55:29 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Hello, Adam.

It was interesting to read your post about RCC Institute of Technology. While many of your reactions to the school are accurate, others are misrepresentational or inaccurate.

Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Greg Toombs. I attended RCC, starting with the technician program in the fall of 2003, then the technologist program in the fall of 2004, and then the Bachelor of Technology program in the spring of 2005. After graduating in December 2005, I picked up a job at Research In Motion as an NPI RF technician. In short, I was debugging and analyzing prototypical cell phones still in developmental phases. I worked there for a year, then did some independent consultation, and am now pursuing a Master's of Science in Control Systems Engineering at Lakehead University.

Firstly, RCC does not, and has never, advertised that one can "finish the equivalent of a 3-year College Diploma in a single year." Three-year college diplomas to which you refer are typically technologist diplomas, and the technologist diploma at RCC does not take one year to finish. It used to take one and a half years when I was there; now it's increased to two years (if I remember correctly).

Your depiction of the facilities is slightly sensational. There were no rules prohibiting students from hanging out in the lobby. None of the computers that I used while I was there were outdated enough to be inadequate for use. In fact, I was hired to help with computer upgrades in the labs, so I know that the school regularly updated its technology, and I always found that the tech department was diligent in their maintenance effort. It's somewhat naive to presuppose that a high-quality lab facility is a perfect one. Students tend to remove keys and damage equipment no matter what school they're at. Also, had you actually attended the program, you would know that electronic fundamentals and their associated test equipment (oscilloscopes, function generators, etc.) rarely need to be upgraded, as fundamental concepts in electronics and electrical engineering never change.

Note that, although in previous years students did not have time for part-time jobs, the new course model has allowed for half-day study that does indeed facilitate part-time work.

Your statement that RCC awards a certificate and not a diploma is wrong. RCC has fully OACETT- and CTAB-certified diplomas, and now also issues a degree as a Bachelor of Technology. I really don't know where you got this idea.

You're right about the cost and the lack of student support facilities such as recreation, though. I would strongly reconsider attending now, if only based on the amount that the price has increased since I attended.

That being said, your "words of advice" that private colleges and universities "aren't very valuable for a professional career" don't really resonate with me. You say that many of your friends struggled to find jobs after graduation from RCC. I say that RCC has a career centre that's second-to-none, and the staff there go out of their way more so than any other institution that I've seen to prepare you for the job search, provide resume critiquing and building, provide professional networking and lead services, and administer effective classes on cold-calling and the general workplace. While I was there, the resident career counsellor actually issued a challenge: If, after 100 cold calls, a student did not get a job, this counsellor would perform the rest of the student's job search in its entirety. Understand that the reason he was never taken up on this challenge is that RCC goes out of its way to prepare its students for the workplace and for the job search, and RCC has a very good reputation in industry.

I also take issue with your idea that one "can't really condense three years of education in a single year." First of all - You don't have to. Three years are condensed into one and a half, and now two, years - not one year. Second of all, I find that "your own ideas, opinions, skills, maturing, and gaining life experiences" are better developed in the workplace than in school. What better way to learn about the real world than to work in the real world? To this end, the more compressed your program, the sooner you can enter the workplace, which is when an entirely different type of learning begins.

Had you attended the program and undertaken an earnest job search, you would have found that there is not much truth in the idea that shorter courses are perceived by industry as exhibiting a lack of dedication or thoroughness. On the contrary, companies in industry realize that attending a highly compressed program requires more personal sacrifice, which demonstrates _more_ dedication.

The recent increases in tuition are unfortunate, and would conceivably prevent me from attending now due to simple economics. But I stand by my education and the education of all of the RCC alumni, and I am proud to have attended a unique school whose preparation for the workplace is effective.
Saturday, July 07, 2007 2:14:38 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Greg,

Thanks for the lengthy response; it offers a great balance to my initial post. I attended RCC almost a decade ago, there is a good chance that things have changed or improved over the years. It's great that you got a related job upon graduation; unfortunately many RCC grads don't get a job related to their field of study.

A couple comments:

You said: "Your statement that RCC awards a certificate and not a diploma is wrong. RCC has fully OACETT- and CTAB-certified diplomas, and now also issues a degree as a Bachelor of Technology."

I've rephrased the statement in question to: "RCC programs only awarded Certificates whereas Publicly funded Colleges in Ontario (like Seneca) award Ontario College Diplomas (OCDs) - RCC awards a certificate not an OCD."

I clarify: The definition of a diploma subsumes certificate and deed - a certificate or deed can be categorized as a diploma, but an RCC certificate / diploma / deed is not a recognized Ontario College Diploma - please correct me if I'm wrong. According to the CCTT website, CTAB accredited programs grant certifications. The term certificate and certification is also used on OACETT website.

Bachelor of Technology degrees are an entirely new can of worms - it's a new degree offered by most Colleges, and will take some time for industry to embrace.

A point of interest: A keyword search for "bachelors of science" on a popular job board returns over 200 results, a search for "bachelors of technology" returns 0 results. There are exceptions to every case, but job boards can give you a pretty good feel for the industry.

Best of luck on your Masters at a PUBLICLY funded University. :)

Thanks again Greg.
Adam
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